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	<description>Work, life and the pursuit of happiness for the young professional.</description>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks about Interview</title>
		<link>http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/comment-page-1/#comment-25400</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about Interview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 4 members originally found by tearsofthegod on 2008-11-20  Interview Tip: Leave the salary out of it.  http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/ - bookmarked by 4 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] - bookmarked by 4 members originally found by tearsofthegod on 2008-11-20  Interview Tip: Leave the salary out of it.  <a href="http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/" rel="nofollow">http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/</a> - bookmarked by 4 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon.  I'm thinking about pursuing my MS in Taxation as well vs. my JD with an emphasis in Tax.  What are your thoughts? I'm wondering which degree would be beneficial in the long run? Also, why are you pursuing your Masters in Tax? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon.  I&#8217;m thinking about pursuing my MS in Taxation as well vs. my JD with an emphasis in Tax.  What are your thoughts? I&#8217;m wondering which degree would be beneficial in the long run? Also, why are you pursuing your Masters in Tax? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Job Interviews: Tips for Success &#171; Career Solutions&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/comment-page-1/#comment-10686</link>
		<dc:creator>Job Interviews: Tips for Success &#171; Career Solutions&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] relevant blog post reminds us that the interview is no place to discuss salary (unless you have to). Better to wait for a job offer before addressing this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] relevant blog post reminds us that the interview is no place to discuss salary (unless you have to). Better to wait for a job offer before addressing this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but this comment has little to do with the negotiation topic in the original post, but rather my comment that I posted to it... 

In looking back at my recent comment, I think I inadvertently did something that I hope is a lesson to people just coming into the corporate space... That is a lesson that has been preached by my bosses throughout my career, but apparently I haven't taken to heart enough - "Praise publicly, confront privately..." 

I'd like to personally apologize to Brandon for the first paragraph in my recent comment. It wasn't constructive to be said in a comment on here, and would have been handled better if I had sent what I said in a note personally to him privately.

So, a piece of advice for the day: "confront privately, praise publicly" - a way to live that apparently I have yet to grasp! Hope that helps you all as you move forward in your careers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but this comment has little to do with the negotiation topic in the original post, but rather my comment that I posted to it&#8230; </p>
<p>In looking back at my recent comment, I think I inadvertently did something that I hope is a lesson to people just coming into the corporate space&#8230; That is a lesson that has been preached by my bosses throughout my career, but apparently I haven&#8217;t taken to heart enough - &#8220;Praise publicly, confront privately&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to personally apologize to Brandon for the first paragraph in my recent comment. It wasn&#8217;t constructive to be said in a comment on here, and would have been handled better if I had sent what I said in a note personally to him privately.</p>
<p>So, a piece of advice for the day: &#8220;confront privately, praise publicly&#8221; - a way to live that apparently I have yet to grasp! Hope that helps you all as you move forward in your careers!</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be the best interview ever!  I always have about 2 dozen questions I'm curious about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be the best interview ever!  I always have about 2 dozen questions I&#8217;m curious about.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Alsup</title>
		<link>http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/comment-page-1/#comment-10512</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Alsup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark - I like your unique approach.  How do you avoid not switching the tables on the interviewer and insulting them?  

We had an old partner that gave interviews.  They were the most intimidating and scary interviews ever.  

First the man was 6-4 200  lbs., just physical intimidating.  When you sat at the interview he would ask what is your name, school, and a few other pleasantries.  Then all he asked was, "What questions do you have fro me."  That was the interview.  If you didn't come with questions (good questions at that) the interview was quick and you were not getting the job.  In this situation the interviewer purposely became the interviewee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark - I like your unique approach.  How do you avoid not switching the tables on the interviewer and insulting them?  </p>
<p>We had an old partner that gave interviews.  They were the most intimidating and scary interviews ever.  </p>
<p>First the man was 6-4 200  lbs., just physical intimidating.  When you sat at the interview he would ask what is your name, school, and a few other pleasantries.  Then all he asked was, &#8220;What questions do you have fro me.&#8221;  That was the interview.  If you didn&#8217;t come with questions (good questions at that) the interview was quick and you were not getting the job.  In this situation the interviewer purposely became the interviewee.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark- I like the aggressive approach, but like you said be sure to tread lightly if you are a new grad or someone with limited work experience! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark- I like the aggressive approach, but like you said be sure to tread lightly if you are a new grad or someone with limited work experience! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've recently been searching for a new job and decided this time around to try a different approach: I'm interviewing you. Not the other way around. Why should I work here? Not, why should you give me this job. It sounds a bit cocky (and you should be careful not to cross this line) but the thing that sells more than anything is confidence. In that vein, and similar to what Bruce eluded to, you shouldn't be giving them any information that they're not willing to give you. If the salary requirement bit comes up I'd recommend saying something along the lines of "if I give you my salary history/requirements right off the bat what kind of negotiator does that show I am? Not a very good one. And don't you want someone who's good at negotiation for this position?" (Obviously works better if the position is one that requires negotiation). One other caveat, new grads should tread lightly with this one. It works best if you have some job history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently been searching for a new job and decided this time around to try a different approach: I&#8217;m interviewing you. Not the other way around. Why should I work here? Not, why should you give me this job. It sounds a bit cocky (and you should be careful not to cross this line) but the thing that sells more than anything is confidence. In that vein, and similar to what Bruce eluded to, you shouldn&#8217;t be giving them any information that they&#8217;re not willing to give you. If the salary requirement bit comes up I&#8217;d recommend saying something along the lines of &#8220;if I give you my salary history/requirements right off the bat what kind of negotiator does that show I am? Not a very good one. And don&#8217;t you want someone who&#8217;s good at negotiation for this position?&#8221; (Obviously works better if the position is one that requires negotiation). One other caveat, new grads should tread lightly with this one. It works best if you have some job history.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Alsup</title>
		<link>http://newlycorporate.com/2008/08/19/interview-tip-leave-the-salary-out-of-it/comment-page-1/#comment-10477</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Alsup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bruce - Thanks for your two cents, they are always welcome.  I think your response definitely highlights the importance of research.  Going into the interview, knowing what the standard wage is and the standard knowledge/work level is a great base for proving why you are worth more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bruce - Thanks for your two cents, they are always welcome.  I think your response definitely highlights the importance of research.  Going into the interview, knowing what the standard wage is and the standard knowledge/work level is a great base for proving why you are worth more.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple things:

First, really not trying to be nitpicky or a prick here, but I would encourage you guys to proofread your posts before posting them... There were a lot of "your" when it's supposed to be "you're", "to" when it should be "too", and "flee market" when it should be "flea market"... &lt;i&gt; I guess some people want to flee once they get there after seeing the prices they might have to pay, but that's another story... &lt;/i&gt; I just think that if you are trying to be the experts and authorities about being newly corporate, you should give off the fact that you are spell checking and proofreading before posting.

Next, research is key - you're right - because you don't want to waste your own time, or the company's, by going through an interview process that ends up with them not being anywhere in the ballpark of what you desire to make. If you don't know what you're worth, or what companies are paying people in similar jobs, don't apply in the first place.

Lastly, Jamie's question was a good one, in that a great deal of jobs that are open these days say "salary requirements MUST accompany application" or "must be stated in your cover letter" for you to be considered. While all of the ideas that Cheryl gave are great ideas, and she's right that it's about the present and not the past, if you don't have an established relationship with someone at the company to which you're applying, you may need to provide that information. You certainly don't want to lie and say "it's company confidential" if it's really not. I'd say in these types of situations, you should be honest about your salary history, and when you get into the interview, you need to be prepared to talk about WHY you're worth more than that, and come in prepared and knowledgeable about what others in similar positions are being paid at other similar companies in the area. 

Also, in my opinion, if they are asking for your salary history in the requirements for you to submit your resume, they should be more than willing to provide you with the range they're willing to pay. That way, you can know if it's going to be within your range prior to wasting anyone's time...

Just my two cents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple things:</p>
<p>First, really not trying to be nitpicky or a prick here, but I would encourage you guys to proofread your posts before posting them&#8230; There were a lot of &#8220;your&#8221; when it&#8217;s supposed to be &#8220;you&#8217;re&#8221;, &#8220;to&#8221; when it should be &#8220;too&#8221;, and &#8220;flee market&#8221; when it should be &#8220;flea market&#8221;&#8230; <i> I guess some people want to flee once they get there after seeing the prices they might have to pay, but that&#8217;s another story&#8230; </i> I just think that if you are trying to be the experts and authorities about being newly corporate, you should give off the fact that you are spell checking and proofreading before posting.</p>
<p>Next, research is key - you&#8217;re right - because you don&#8217;t want to waste your own time, or the company&#8217;s, by going through an interview process that ends up with them not being anywhere in the ballpark of what you desire to make. If you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re worth, or what companies are paying people in similar jobs, don&#8217;t apply in the first place.</p>
<p>Lastly, Jamie&#8217;s question was a good one, in that a great deal of jobs that are open these days say &#8220;salary requirements MUST accompany application&#8221; or &#8220;must be stated in your cover letter&#8221; for you to be considered. While all of the ideas that Cheryl gave are great ideas, and she&#8217;s right that it&#8217;s about the present and not the past, if you don&#8217;t have an established relationship with someone at the company to which you&#8217;re applying, you may need to provide that information. You certainly don&#8217;t want to lie and say &#8220;it&#8217;s company confidential&#8221; if it&#8217;s really not. I&#8217;d say in these types of situations, you should be honest about your salary history, and when you get into the interview, you need to be prepared to talk about WHY you&#8217;re worth more than that, and come in prepared and knowledgeable about what others in similar positions are being paid at other similar companies in the area. </p>
<p>Also, in my opinion, if they are asking for your salary history in the requirements for you to submit your resume, they should be more than willing to provide you with the range they&#8217;re willing to pay. That way, you can know if it&#8217;s going to be within your range prior to wasting anyone&#8217;s time&#8230;</p>
<p>Just my two cents!</p>
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